NICK ELWARD: Welcome to 3-in-3 ETF Trends. We'll get right into it with the first trend. Tyler, what we've seen is a lot of market volatility in this first quarter. And there's impact on investors, of course. Tell us what you think about this market volatility and how investors should be thinking through the issues.
TYLER WILLIAMS: Sure, Nick, happy to. So as we've seen in the past two years, equity markets have been quite strong with returns over 25% in both 2023 and 2024. 2025 has been a bit of more of a bumpy ride. As of 3/31, per Bloomberg, the S&P is down a little over 4%. And, more importantly--or just as importantly, the VIX, the CBOE Volatility Index, is now over 20. Contrast that with last year at an average around 15 and 16, we've definitely seen bigger swings in the equity markets, which has certainly made investors relook at their portfolios and potentially shift some of their ETF allocations.
NICK ELWARD: Yeah, certainly. We've seen the VIX at over 30 at times in this first quarter, and that is something that is noteworthy, and we haven't seen that for several quarters.
All right, Tyler, let's hit on the second trend.
TYLER WILLIAMS: Sure. So Nick, because of the volatility, and the fact that equity markets aren't going straight up and to the right, how do you think investors are changing-- or potentially changing their ETF allocations to maybe favor more active strategies?
NICK ELWARD: Yeah, I think it's all about active ETFs. We've seen that this year, especially. Last year as well. Active ETFs are making the biggest challenge that we've ever seen versus passive ETFs. And that can be seen in a few different areas, but for one, in 2016, Natixis launched its ETF business. At that time, there were only 100 active ETFs. Now, there are nearly 2,000 active ETFs.
TYLER WILLIAMS: Wow.
NICK ELWARD: Second item would be that what we've seen in our financial advisor survey here at Natixis is that 96% of financial advisors plan to increase their active ETF usage or maintain it. And lastly, just looking at the flows into ETFs, now, active ETFs make up 40% of the overall ETF flows. That was less than 5% just two years ago. So we've seen a lot of interest in active ETFs.
TYLER WILLIAMS: Certainly.
NICK ELWARD: A portfolio manager on top of the product, they are sussing out different risks in the portfolio. You don't see that as much in passive products, so that's a second reason. And thirdly, we've seen fee compression in active ETFs. We've seen that delta between the fees on active ETFs and passive ETFs decline. So those are a few reasons why I think active ETFs are competing so strongly with passive ETFs.
TYLER WILLIAMS: Great point, Nick. And I do know that ETFs are considered to be very cheap. That's one of the hallmarks of why the vehicle has been so popular, so it's good to see active managers being able to offer their strategies in a cost-efficient wrapper.
NICK ELWARD: Indeed. All right, Tyler. Let's hit on the third trend, and it connects to this second trend of active ETF flows. Within active ETF flows, we've seen options-oriented ETFs and derivative income ETFs in particular meeting investors' interests, and also driving a lot of flows. Tell us about what's happening in that area.
TYLER WILLIAMS: Yeah, great point, Nick. We have seen an explosion in options-based ETFs on the active site in recent years. What was normally a strategy reserved for maybe more institutional or high-net-worth investors is now being brought to the masses via the ETF wrapper. So in particular within the options overlay category, we believe derivative income ETFs have certainly seen a rise in popularity. Just five years ago, there was only under 20 of these products in the marketplace, and now there's over 120 of these ETFs.
NICK ELWARD: 20 to 120.
TYLER WILLIAMS: Pretty big growth.
NICK ELWARD: Indeed.
TYLER WILLIAMS: And derivative ETFs are designed to provide investors with two things. One, a consistent monthly income stream that maybe is less correlated to traditional fixed-income interest rate moves; and then secondly, it appeals to maybe more conservative investors or more risk-averse investors that want some of that downside cushion when markets start to move against you and be more volatile.
NICK ELWARD: So this seems to line up perfectly with what a retirement income investor would want-- regular monthly income, and then risk mitigation. So I bet a lot of those that are interested, in fact, are retirement income investors, but general investors as well.
TYLER WILLIAMS: Certainly. And with any options overlay strategy, when you're writing calls against your portfolio, you do limit some of your upside, but investors are certainly voting with their wallets, as we've seen from the flows in recent years. Over $100 billion in cumulative flows over the past five years per Morningstar. And it seems like this is the sweet spot between both offering investors a consistent, dependable monthly income stream, as well as some downside protection in the equity market.
NICK ELWARD: All right, Tyler, thank you. And thank you to our audience for joining us today. Again, this is Nick Elward, for Tyler Williams, thank you for joining the Natixis Investment Managers 3 in 3 ETF show.
TYLER WILLIAMS: Thank you. And visit im.natixis.com for more information on ETFs.