Francois Collet, PM and CIO at DNCA, reveals what it was like managing a bond portfolio through the height of the pandemic shutdowns, and how investors in fixed income should think about risk and the global macroeconomic environment in an era of unthinkable shocks.
The dotcom bubble of 2000 and the 2008 global financial crisis are each defining market moments. From your perspective, what stands out most over the past quarter of a century?
Francois Collet (FC): They are all significant in their way, but for me, the Covid crisis in 2020 was the most distinct. Previous crises, such as Lehman’s collapse or the eurozone debt shock, came with warnings or a background narrative. In many respects, you could see the clouds gathering – or at least see them forming on the horizon. But Covid struck with an abruptness that upended not only markets but also our way of working and living. It showed how, overnight, the unthinkable becomes reality.
Of course, there were other major market moments – from the spread between Italian and German bonds in the euro crisis, to watching spreads in the lead-up to Lehman’s fall – when you felt the stress points. But Covid was a different beast: within days the global macro environment completely transformed. Markets realised thousands of companies might have no revenue, policymakers scrambled, and work shifted, literally overnight, to remote settings. The shock to risk, liquidity, and our frameworks was profound.
How do you convey to less experienced investors the magnitude of the Covid shock – particularly those who joined post-Covid and have only know the investment landscape since?
FC: Experience is the best teacher, but study matters too. Many younger fixed income managers started when negative rates were the status quo. Few expected yields to spike as they did in 2022 to 2023. Covid was a lesson in humility: always prepare for the unimaginable. The pandemic, and the policy response – lockdown, massive stimulus, and then inflation – were outside most investors’ lived experience. We have to teach that unpredictable ‘tail risks’ aren’t just theory.
Some would say that Covid was a ‘black swan’ event. Would you agree that it altered your perception of risk and challenged the limits of your models?
FC: Absolutely. We had longstanding risk limits – volatility caps, diversification, scenario planning – but Covid blew through volatility measures in days. Correlations among assets changed without warning; things previously unlinked suddenly moved together. Volatility itself multiplied tenfold. I’d never imagined some fixed income instruments could swing that fast. Our approach had to evolve: we shifted from purely volatility-based to a suite of limits – on duration, exposures, and liquidity – so we could adapt if correlations again went haywire.
Can you recall where you were when you realised the scale of Covid’s impact for fixed income professionals?
FC: With 9/11, there was that one searing TV moment where the planes were hitting the twin towers. Covid was different, it was a series of shocks. The Italian city lockdowns – a weekend event – were my first hint. Markets reacted instantly, but within a week, most of Europe followed.
The reality was that we had to transition an entire office of staff to working-from-home setups virtually overnight. Thankfully, IT support at DNCA made that happen efficiently. But the disruptions didn’t stop there because, on a personal note, my second child had just been born weeks before. Luckily my neighbours left Paris just before the restrictions came into effect, so they lent me their keys and I could set up my office in their apartment. But clearly, there was a real sense of upheaval both at home and at work.
How did you continue to function as a firm and as a bond investor?
FC: It was just a rush to get liquidity. Bond markets seized up overnight. So, to find liquidity, we sometimes had to be awake at 2am to sell into Asian central banks, or to wait for the Fed. These opportunities could be once or twice a week, not daily.
While we weren’t literally working 24/7, our team had to monitor multiple global windows, which underscored just how fragile funding and trading arrangements can become. Central bank actions returned to normal within a month, but it was a stark reminder of the market’s dependence on policymakers.
When the second Covid-related lockdown rolled around, were you better prepared?
FC: Much better. Our full suite of new risk limits and remote infrastructure was in place. Flexibility increased; people didn’t need to rush back to the office. The big lesson was that no risk model is truly ‘finished’. Preparedness – whether for pandemics, cyber events, or market shocks – is now at the core of our risk culture.
What are the most important lessons investors should take from Covid?
FC: In the short term, always be prepared for ‘the impossible’. Before Covid, I would have repeatedly said that my funds’ volatility could never breach their caps. But after the pandemic, it’s clear that they could – a case of the real world reminding me that it’s important to be able to adapt, and that what once seemed certain can end up being naive. We now expect the range of possible outcomes to be much wider. Liquidity planning, multiple risk metrics, and readiness to pivot have become standard. And above all, remain humble: the next big shock will always be something the market hasn’t modelled.