So for us, although we started quarter-century ago with a 12% discount rate, we still use that discount rate and we use it all around the world and it works well because that's our opportunity cost as we allocate capital.
And then I think the other thing that's a distinguishing factor is look, if we're looking for these mid-teens returns and we want very little downsides of good valuation support, how do you do that in a range of changing environments? So we've always had a heavy focus on macro, not to pick stocks. We don't use the macro to pick stocks, but what we do is we probably cover a little over two dozen countries. It gives us about a 9-12 month lead on economic decelerations. It gives us about a six-month lead on recessions and similar leads on recoveries, and we get the same lead on inflation. So when you have these shifting economic conditions, they're not a surprise to us. So we know when to dial up the risk, we know when to dial it down and we can tilt towards factors that are beneficial.
And this really proved valuable not just during the financial crisis, because inevitably if you track those factors, you track liquidity and credit. So we were anticipating a fairly significant credit event. But even in '22, look, we knew inflation wasn't going to be transitory, we knew it was going to be a global issue, and central banks were going to have to react. And we knew what the implications of that were going to be for either long duration assets, whether that's high PE growth stocks or long-dated fixed income securities. So again, we could protect and preserve that capital and then redeploy it when we got to the bottom once we knew inflation was no longer an issue. So again, just that absolute valuation, absolute return objective, combined with a pretty robust understanding of what's going on in the macro environment, I think has been our distinguishing characteristics.
Louise: And that's a big part of your process, and I'm a big believer in company culture as a differentiator and part of a company's competitive advantage. As the CEO, as well as the CIO, what do you focus on for your team culture and what do you think is part of Vaughan Nelson's special sauce?
Chris: Yeah, look, I think culture is everything, especially in investing. And you said it right, it's a team. If you met any one person on our team, you're going to see some fairly consistent attributes. Number one as a firm, the star of our firm is our philosophy and process. And everybody is committed to improving that process across time and space and everybody's committed to seeing each other be successful. So that just creates a lot of collaboration. It creates a lot of information flow, it creates a lot of sharing of both good ideas and concerns.
The other thing is look, while we may be collaborative, we're all crazy competitive. We know we're going to win, but we're going to win as a team. We know we can't rely on any single individual to be successful. And so we get up every day, we know what we need to focus on. We come to the markets with a game plan, we don't react to news in the market, we understand what's coming our direction and we know there's nobody that's going to outwork us or out-think us.
Louise: Let's dig into the economy now. And while the US economy is slowing, it appears to be still reasonably robust and you said recently that at this stage you think a US recession is unlikely. The European economy appears to be still struggling, Asia looks mixed, which areas of the global economy do you feel most positive about for the future?
Chris: We're going to get into a more nuanced environment where it's going to be where is the strength relative to the expectation. So it's not just that, hey, economic data may be weak, but you actually may generate your highest returns there. And that's going to be true not just in regions, but really when you get down to specific sub industries as well. But the general setup is pretty interesting right now, the inflationary issues are in the rearview mirror. There's no question that over the longer term we have increased inflationary pressures, but that doesn't have to mean high inflation, it just means it's higher than it otherwise would've been.
Globally, we've been in about a seven-quarter industrial recession, and that's coming to an end, but we're going to have a very muted recovery and a lot of that is driven by the weakness in China. And that weakness in China is not just the balance sheet recession from their excess reliance on property markets and infrastructure. It's also a lack of demand.
So I look at the globe and when we look at it contextually, we can see fits and starts, but what we're really focused on is at the company level who has been making the pivots already, who has been investing in those balance sheets so despite a sluggish environment around them, they're going to see underlying growth.
And we can see that. We can see opportunities across the whole globe, across whole industries and across whole sectors, but it's not going to be any specific region.
Louise: The US markets have been strong in recent times, though still a relatively narrow rally. Many investors have been positioning for rebound in European markets, but that rebound still hasn't arrived. Do you think there will be a European market rally or should investors look elsewhere?
Chris: